![]() ![]() > Other auth standards do not support a challenge-response exchangeĪnd why is a challenge required? Shouldn't the decision on which level of protection to use be left to the client? The business should be able to say "thanks but no thanks I like my email server just the way it is". I see that more like the same money grab that 1Password did: stop selling regular licenses (here office 2010), move to a subscription model (here office 365), introducing incompatible features as needed to "encourage" the migration (here "modern" auth), and if customers still don't get the memo, just plainly break the product with some technobabble for plausible deniability (here "encryption" - works as well on the average techie as "think about the children!" works on the average voter) However, since it came right after the end of the official support period, I seriously doubt it. Maybe Microsoft didn't have the money (nah) human resources (possible) or lost the source code (but didn't it get posted during a hack?) of Office 2010 to tweak it and add the feature. To me, this means 1) the lack of "modern" auth and encryption is at best an excuse since 2) there's a proof of concept (from a competitor!) that 3) reliably works as a plugin which is using architectural choices ALREADY BAKED IN outlook. I mean, Google of all people managed to write a plugin that acts as a middleware between Outlook and and solves all this, and unlike Microsoft they didn't have the benefit of having access to Outlook sourcecode or APIs, so clearly, something is off. Really? Then explain me why is it important? Why does it require this specific solution, and why other solutions like say using say POP over SSL are absolutely impossible? And if it's so absolutely required, and other solutions are absolutely impossible, why couldn't it be added? > Outlook 2010 does not support the modern authentication and encryption that Exchange Online, and require. I have plenty of issues with Apple UI decisions, but Windows and Office are such a shitshow at this point that the Mac looks like a finished product while Windows looks like a failed project cobbled together from. But I still regret not getting them at least one Mac. So I finally shitcanned all of it and installed LibreOffice and Thunderbird (which has improved drastically in the 20 years since I've looked at it). and then the continual hounding hounding hounding for a "Microsoft account." For months, my parents would occasionally call me because Office would stop working and demand credentials (mine, of course, since it was my license). Microsoft's execrable policies and design made setting these up a clinic on how to piss customers off. I made the mistake of buying Windows computers for my parents, because that's what they're used to. MS Office has regressed dismally since its heyday in the '90s, and now with Microsoft's offensive hounding to "log in with your Microsoft account" at every goddamned turn it's simply unacceptable. Once it’s 100% cloud, I think competition becomes more viable. I honestly believe the biggest barrier to entry in the Office space was that everyone used to need MS Office to edit files out of band. It’s not quite there yet because the installation is too cumbersome. For example, I’d love to host my own instance of Only Office so I can send people files and have them edit online with authentication happening via magic links. I really hope the whole cloud subscription thing opens a door for competition and comes back to haunt them. I use several (user) profiles to silo my own work and I’m not buying 4 Office subscriptions. Im still upset about the change from device based to user based licensing too. ![]() Business Standard is a bad deal for small businesses vs buying a perpetual version of Office. Everyone uses those for Exchange, but they don’t include Outlook. I wonder how that will affect the Business Basic subscriptions. 20 won't be eligible for connecting to Microsoft 365 services after October 2023 ![]()
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